Talk, often is just talk. The largest portion of the pop are always sheople. Talk is cheap. Everybody has something to say. Usually it sounds something like "I'm very independent . . . . bla" yet just about every last one of them prefers staying in the herd even when it's headed straight to the slaughterhouse.

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Dear Dr Malone. I cannot thank you enough for your courage. You have influenced my own. This article is so insightful. It has affirmed many of my convictions.


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I understand power and control ,sadly . I was in an abusive first marriage for 22 years. They were very sad, frightful, long years.

Things I learned from this: abuse is never ok, you are ok just the way you are, you are stronger than you think you are, this abuse only mad me stronger.

You have to know my motto is Kindness begins with me, be kind and have courage.

You can stand up and have the courage you need to get through anything. Life is precious .

I believe that Dr Malone and Dr Jill are so passionate about their journey through Covid because of all the roadblocks they have had to blast through throughout their careers . Had it been easy with no bumps they would not be as determine to fight for right.

Hard things make you stronger if you don’t feel sorry for yourself .

Be strong people . Share your knowledge and don’t forget to love one another as the Savior loves you.

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The Maya nobility were playing these games of mass control 1400 years ago. Using their astronomical knowledge of predicting reoccurring eclipse. During a solar eclipse, the dark moon covers more and more of the sun, creating the illusion that the sun is being eaten. Thus, the Maya depicted the cataclysmic destruction of an eclipse as a demon biting the sun requiring human sacrifice to the sun god. Much like our Government is doing to us today.



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Having just encountered a long term friend who turns out to be a fully entrenched member of the Covid convinced, this provided valuable perspectives. She has always been a responsible, sensible, compassionate sort. When I mentioned being unvaxed and recovering, she launched into me loudly proclaiming I was wrong! I tried to short circuit the angry discussion with pointing out at least we were both healthy now and doing ok. She ended up rapidly walking away with a final shouted "You are Wrong!"

Have been reflecting on how to help the afflicted (with the Covid Mass Formation), the ferocity of her opposition to any other position, was a surprise.

Thanks for these perspectives to reflect on! Best to all.

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Wonderful, enlightening interview.

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Quite the long and in-depth article! I would imagine a lot of the subtlety will be lost in the tendency to rationalize and intellectualize the subtle references. Intuition is a subtle and non-rational approach. I find it is the most influential approach to my life when I pay attention...

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Thank you Dr Malone for this insightful article! I would agree with most of what Mr Desmett has stated, however, I believe humanity will continue to come into conflict & division with one another over what is ethical/ moral for mankind. For what human being among us can determine the laws of ethics for all mankind to be governed by? Only a higher intelligence- our Creator who transcends all time & space and has brought all this physical world into being and truly knows and understands us, and what we need for true peace & happiness has the authority, power & wisdom to proclaim what laws we should be governed by. Humanity has had a fairly long reign on earth whereby he has had the ability to choose many different forms of government & laws to govern mankind, but yet they have all failed. Why do they fail? James 4: 1 What causes conflicts and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from the passions at war within you? 2You crave what you do not have; you kill and covet, but are unable to obtain it. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3And when you do ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may squander it on your pleasures.

Most of us would be able to agree upon certain ethical principles such as, do unto others as you would have them do unto you (which seems to stem from the summation of the last six commandments, when Christ summarized them by saying, love your neighbor as yourself). But how well do we actually stick to that, even the kindest in society? I believe most would say we attempt to live by that rule. The apostle Paul stated, “ 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.” We are all a mixture of good & evil and only one is truly good - God the Father. Is there a source for evil influencing the world? The Bible clearly states there is - Eph 2:2 - “in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Revelation 12: 9 “and the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.” 2 Cor. 4: 4 “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” Yet even though we are told there is we are reminded that, “ For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” - Eph 4:12

It is usually the people who have great faith and hope in something outside of our physical realm, who are able to get through the most difficult times without it destroying them. Where does your faith lie? With mankind or a greater power? If your answer is mankind, then you must ask yourself why mankind has never been able to achieve lofty goals like peace or the goals stated in our own Declaration of Independence. We came as close as an empire/ kingdom has ever come, to my knowledge. Those early settlers of the USA for the most part, believed in Biblical principles. Now the majority of our nation does not and it is reflected in our families and communities. Many historians have attributed the degradation of families and the morals of society as the beginning of the downfall of empires. Our nation is obviously completely divided on what moral / ethical laws should govern us. How can mankind bridge that gap and will they be able to before “divided we fall”. Even in this truth / freedom movement I have witnessed so much division. Why? No common goal? Pride?

In my humble opinion, if humanity wants a fighting chance against the globalist prison world they are attempting to enforce upon us, they need to work on being humble and learn to value all life and our planet that supports life. It would involve a level of cooperation that probably hasn’t been seen in our country since WW2 (victory gardens & people fulfilling jobs were they were needed to keep the country running, neighbors helping one another). I think Desmett is right about technology & our modern communication leaving us unfulfilled. Even in families we are not as connected to one another. We also put way too much emphasis on the physical and instant pleasures. Pleasure does not equal happiness- Dr Robert Lustig explaining the difference in 4 minutes:


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I just read the whole of the interview and will print it. There are at least 5 paragraphs that contain statements that stand out and that I want to be able to ponder. Thanks to Robert and Mattias for taking the time to so eloquently speak what is often in my heart. I recognize when I hear it or read it; it goes "BINGO"

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By reading your stack, Dr. Malone, I am finding people of whom I knew little or nothing and who are smarter and wiser than I could imagine. You are giving me great hope.

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thank you for this post!

good thinking points.

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Although this is a great interview with a psychologist, it omits to recognise an important issue: the role of professional psychologists in the mass formation. Professional psychologists have been engaged as mercenaries, deliberately to maximise this mass formation and totalitarianism.

The profession of psychology has thereby demonstrated a severe ethical deficit. That needs to be addressed as a key part of attempting to prevent this mass formation and totalitarianism from recurring.

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Thank you for this thoughtful and hopeful dialogue. It’s nice to be reminded that we are not alone in recognizing totalitarianism and struggling not to comply, when so many forces conspire to convince us to join the herd.

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Thank you! This is an outstanding interview, helping me see the way forward. The fear-porn propaganda in so many areas is intense. It is easy to get caught in a contagion of fear. It can be fear of the false narrative makers and those who follow the false narrative in mass formation, and the impulse to lash out at them, which is the wrong direction. I say to myself: "Keep calm and carry on" The goal is to live a "normal" life not a "new normal" life. I think just doing this also has an effect, even if very small, on those around me. At least I'm not adding to the chaos.

One thing I may forget or underestimate is the power of narrative. Stories evolved with human societies. If we are looking for mechanistic explanations with figures and facts, we may be missing that. Perhaps there is a counter-narrative needed. I don't have one handy, except right now to "keep calm and carry on." Of course this brings to mind those who were in London being bombed every night during the blitz and who did just that. I've always been inspired by that story. I think it also means "Don't lose your humanity or attack people" when under hostile fire.

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Beautiful words from Mattias Desmet, thank you for posting!

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Thank you, Robert!! Greatly looking forward to the continuing dialogue about this (as opposed to fanatical yelling, no matter the opinion).

Recently, I had a very good conversation about Charles Eisenstein focusing on exactly the problem we are having, i.e. when the child is thrown away together with the bathwater, and when rigid talking points are introduced where people are just thinking out loud.


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